Talk:The Netherlands Genealogy

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I replaced 's-Gravenhage with Den Haag. That might stir up some discussion, therefor I include this link to Het Genootschap Onze Taal.

Nobody uses 's-Gravenhage, not even the city itself...

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Between about 1550 and 1811, the main source for Netherlands Genealogy is Church Records. After 1811, the main source is Civil Registration.

After 1850, Population Registers and Censuses can also be useful. Military Records are also useful after 1811.

Church records and Civil Registration are available free through FamilySearch and some population registers are free online elsewhere.

Research Tools[edit source]

Other Websites

Research at the CBG We can help you to search for information about your ancestors in the Netherlands. For advice please contact us. You may find some specific information in the following downloadable brochures:

Searching for Your Ancestors in the Netherlands. CBG brochure When you find an ancestor from 'Holland' or ' The Netherlands' you would be curious if additional information existed in Dutch sources. The Centraal Bureau voor Genealogie can help you to search for that information about your ancestors in the Netherlands.

Personal Record Cards and Personal Record Lists CBG brochure Personal Record Cards were introduced in the Netherlands in 1938 and used to register information on every inhabitant of the Netherlands regardless of nationality. Since October 1, 1994 the population registration in the Netherlands is automized. The personal record card was replaced by so called Personal Record Lists. Since this Central Register of Deceased Persons contains a lot of important information for genealogical and biographical research purposes, the CBG is allowed to provide information on written request.

List of Dutch Genealogical Researchers. CBG brochure Experienced Dutch genealogical researchers can help you to search for additional information in Dutch records.

Latest update: 8 April 2015

The Website Digital Resources Netherlands and Belgium contains hundreds of links to all kinds of resources. Their sister site "Van Papier naar Digitaal" contains images and transcriptions of Church records and pre-1811 censuses for many places throughout the Netherlands.

FamilyTreeSeeker is an index to (Dutch) family trees on the web. Those are trees on personal sites, and community sites like Genealogie Online (mentioned below).

Genealogie Online - publish your family tree for free, search for your ancestors

Build Your Online Family Tree, Share Your Family History And Learn More About Your Ancestors

Search genealogical data of open archives and automatically find linked records and additional information about people and context

WieWasWie (WhoWasWho) is the official website for Dutch civil registration records. It is the most comprehensive genealogical database in the Netherlands, containing births, marriages and deaths from 1811, as well as some Military Registers, Church records(pre 1811), and Family Notices in newspapers. Archives in all the provinces participate in this website to publish indexes and sometimes even scans of their records. More than 104 million names have been indexed as of February 2015.  

Zoekakten was created because it is not always easy to find images of Civil registration and Church records on FamilySearch, since one film can contain more than one set of records and can have thousands of images. When you select the locality, record type, and time period, the site opens the image viewer at the proper page, saving researchers a lot of time. The site is in Dutch, but it links back to this wiki for help on the Dutch language. Note that is replaces Genver, which closed down in 2013.

Since 1993, this site has helped people of Dutch descent research their Dutch ancestors.

Many articles explain the research opportunities in the Netherlands, both offline and online. Other articles give background information about Dutch history in general and emigration in particular. Special attention is given to online research, with many links to useful websites.

This website is brought to you by Yvette Hoitink, a professional genealogist in the Netherlands who specializes in researching Dutch ancestors for people around the world.

Encyclopedias and Dictionaries Encyclopedias may provide information on all branches of knowledge or treat specific topics comprehensively, usually in alphabetically arranged articles. They often contain information of great interest for genealogical research, including articles about towns and places, prominent people, minorities, and religions. They can give information about diverse subjects, such as record-keeping practices, laws, customs, commerce, costumes, occupations, and archaic terminology.

The Family History Library has general-knowledge encyclopedias from the Netherlands (in Dutch) along with Dutch-English and English-Dutch dictionaries. The encyclopedias and dictionaries are listed in the FamilySearch Catalog under THE NETHERLANDS - ENCYCLOPEDIAS AND DICTIONARIES.

The following is a good Dutch dictionary:

Title Cassell's English-Dutch, Dutch-English dictionary = Engels-Nederlands, Nederlands-Engels woordenboek Kramer, Jacob, 1802-1869. Kramers' Engels Woordenboek Call Number 439.31321 Ca272 Publication London : Cassell, 1982 New York, New York : Macmillan Publishers Limited Physical xiv, 602, vii, 729 p. ; 19 cm. ISBN/ISSN 0025229400 Title Also Known As Cassell's Dutch dictionary Engels-Nederlands, Nederlands-Engels woordenboek English-Dutch, Dutch-English dictionary Kramers' Engels woordenboek

Dutch-English online dictionary

Repertorium Edit[edit source]

Leave the Repertorium on the Nethertlands Genealogy page. This section is for reference aids and it is a reference aid. I work directly for FamilySearch which has responsibility for the Wiki and have say over what goes on this page. You can also put it under municipalities if you wish, but it does belong with these reference aids. User:Hanna5974

I'd like to raise 3 points: 1. The text under "A lot of municipalities have merged over the last couple of decades, so a municipality may not exist anymore. You can find out the name of the current municipality by looking up the name of the old municipality in the “Repertorium van Nederlandse Gemeenten vanaf 1812". The section that starts at p. 52 has a list of all municipalities that ever existed. If the municipality merged, it will say “opgegaan in (merged with)” followed by the name of the new municipality"

is remarkably similar to text in the article written on the subject by Yvette Hoitink, as is the text under "Applying for Recent Civil Registration Records".

2. To say that merging of gemeenten has only taken place over the "last couple of decades" is quite misleading. Page 18 of the Reporterium shows the number of gemeenten in each year, and it can be seen that mergers of municipalities started in the 1810s, but have been occurring at an accelerated pace since around 1960.

3. I thought that since this is a wiki there should be a culture of co-operation between editors rather than some users being allowed to override junior editors. --Av85647 (talk) 19:19, 24 October 2018 (UTC)

1. To a certain extent #3 is true. However, when "edit wars" between editors take place, re-editing each others work back and forth, there is a mediation process. I am an Administrator in the Wiki. I am closely connected to that process. I was part of the team that originally designed the content parameters of those pages and standardized those pages, and I know what the Governance Council wants on them.

2. You are very intelligent and see all these topics on a high cognitive level. We have to make the pages work for beginners and with a series of videos we are developing for beginners to guide them through using the Wiki. Currently, I am the one developing those videos. In the videos, I will teach about the Repertoriums, so I need them easily accessible to beginners.

3. Although it is logical to you to put the information on municipalities pages, most beginners will never go to those pages, even know what they are for or how to use them. They rarely see the overall structure of the wiki, or have the courage to go digging through very many levels to get to a page.

4. I know it is similar to Yvette's page--that's where I got it.

I will be happy to have the Governance Council verify the decision I am making about this page, if you wish. User:Hanna5974 And, I forgot to say, we cannot thank you enough for your tremendous contributions you make to the Wiki. The patrollers often get panicky about the amount of writing you do, unsure if they should verify the information. I always tell them, "He knows what he is doing. Don't worry!" User:Hanna5974

I won't argue any longer about the relatively minor issue of the Gemeenten Reporterium, but I remain concerned that this wiki may have breached the copyright of Yvette Hoitink. Unless of course she has previously given this wiki permission to copy her articles- in which case I apologise for bringing this up- but otherwise I feel it would be best if her permission was sought- given that she has written at least one blog article on FS there's a good chance she would agree.

Thank you for your kind comments about my contributions to the wiki. --Av85647 (talk) 00:59, 25 October 2018 (UTC)

Oh, I didn't see her copyright info at the bottom. Thanks for the heads-up. I rewrote the section in Netherlands Civil Registration and at the bottom of the mail page. See what you think. Thanks. User:Hanna5974